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mick ward
Marlin
Australia
2202 Posts
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Neil
SportsFish
Australia
3807 Posts
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 Posted - 03 Oct 2004 : 2:00:48 PM
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Sorry Mick but what promises 
The fact that the Greens & Labor have struck a deal is the first reason for concern.
All the greens seem to want to do is restrict us even further:
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5.2.13 expand fisheries assessments to all Australian fisheries, including recreational fisheries, and develop and implement a national framework for managing recreational and charter fishing.
And this means what
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5.2.25 create buffer zones around all seal and sea lion colonies that exclude commercial and recreational fishing, and restrict other access to permit only
Think about this one 
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Labor will provide RecFish Australia with funding of $400,000 over four years to
able it to effectively represent the interests of recreational fishers.
My information is that most, if not all the recreational fishing industry/bodies are opposed to the idea of Recfish being the only body with a voice and being paid for the privilege.
And at $100,000.00 per year?? what will that pay for? bugger all but hey it sounds good to the punters.
Problem here is that it is probably part of the $35 billion in uncosted promises that Labor has refused to lodge in full before the costing deadline at 5.00pm on Thursday the 30th of September 2004.
Here is a link to the current National Recreational Fishing Policy
I just lov a balanced debate
Cheers
Neil
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Dingo
Team Daylate
Australia
7816 Posts
Member No: #323 |
Posted - 03 Oct 2004 : 2:47:09 PM
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Mick before you vote think long and hard about WHY Latham wouldnt put his promises up for scrutiny Hes put none of his promises to treasury so they can cost them
Also he wont rule out tax increases under Labour, he knows he will have to raise tax to cover his promises
Paul
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Sailfish
Linux Powered
Australia
2854 Posts
Member No: #51 |
Posted - 03 Oct 2004 : 9:17:57 PM
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Do we want all State Governments AND the Federal Government as Labour ????
Think before you vote......!!!!
(for the first time ever, I'm voting for an independant who's preferences lean towards the coalition........) And its all because of the fishing issue......!!
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Backlash
Marlin
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Posted - 03 Oct 2004 : 9:18:31 PM
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Promises, promises, anything to sway the sheep
so he gets in, and do you really think the
greens give a damn about fisherman? Get a grip!
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Rev
Marlin
Australia
501 Posts
Member No: #987 |
Posted - 03 Oct 2004 : 10:48:10 PM
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Hey Mick.
$400,000 to Recfish, an offer?
It is an outright insult when you consider the dollars injected into communities across the country by the Recreational Angler!!!!
Then they've offered preferences to the Greens and these policies;
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4.1.2 undertake measures to increase the protection of coastal ecosystems, especially rivers, wetlands, estuaries and shallow marine environments
4.1.3 establish a comprehensive, adequate and representative national system of estuarine reserves in Australian waters
4.1.4 protect fish breeding areas in the coastal and estuarine zone
4.1.5 enable the replenishing of stocks of depleted aquatic and coastal life
4.1.6 reduce the harvest of all coastal resources to an ecologically sustainable limit
5.2.4 ensure that the National Representative System of Marine Protected Areas program has legislated targets of a minimum of 30% ‘no take’ areas per bioregion by 2012
5.2.25 create buffer zones around all seal and sea lion colonies that exclude commercial and recreational fishing, and restrict other access to permit only
5.2.46 strategically assess Australia’s marine areas (including territories) to identify sites of outstanding natural and cultural significance worthy of World Heritage listing and existing World Heritage Areas that warrant boundary extensions.
6.2.2 assist State and Territory governments to complete comprehensive inventories of freshwater ecosystems, and use them, and the best scientific evidence available, to develop comprehensive, adequate and representative freshwater reserves for all ecosystems, and ecologically sustainable catchment management plans that protect and restore these rivers and system
6.2.6 fully protect rivers that still have natural flow regimes
How about some clarification on these policies, before they go any further!
The Recreational Angler has no friends, we need to fight and scratch and kick for every little piece of the pie we can get.
Get behind the Fishing Party.
NOW!!!
Rev!
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Volvo
Marlin
Australia
2229 Posts
Member No: #147 |
Posted - 04 Oct 2004 : 10:20:21 AM
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 Mick,congrats for effort mate..But they allready stated that Super Surcharge will be back up ta 15% if they get back in ..
Me also thinks that they made BIG!! blue with the Garret issue..Riled me up each time the Camera panned across his moosh during lathems Speech to the nation the other week ey..
Cant help believing that the handcuffs will get tighter n more prolific if they get voted in..And yes been a labour Supporter most my life too mate  ..
Gettin too old to believe in Santa nowadays  ..
Cheers mate
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mick ward
Marlin
Australia
2202 Posts
Member No: #564 |
Posted - 04 Oct 2004 : 1:53:34 PM
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G`day Fellas,
Labors promises if 35 billion , who`s counting , was submitted to treasury on friday , but 35 bill was what howard spent in this budget alone , and after being bushwacked by the labor hopefulls , hysteria engulfed the Libs , and away went howard on the most reckless spending spree in this countrys history.
At last report , Howards promises add up to 100 billion dollars , hands up who that , makes happy.
But ,Lets be honest here Fellas , despite repeated statements by Treasury Oficials , IMF , and countless World respected Economists , that The High interest rates of the late 80`s could never happen again , the Libs keep repeating the lie, because thats what they are good at.
And for the mugs that keep reciting " interest rates will go up under labor " , be told for once and for all gentlemen , The Reserve Bank Raises Interest Rates , Not the Sitting government!!!.
But I think most of you fellas already know that , but like Lil Bush , when the myth is larger than the truth , print the myth.
Also Fellas , I hate to spoil your party , but If anyone believes howard is here for one week after 21/12/2004 , then you believe in the tooth fairy.
On the 22/12/2004 according to a rough calculation Howard becomes the second longest serving PM other than Menzies.
BOB HAWKE was PM for 8 years 9months and 10 days , and thats what this reckless spending spree is all about , simply to BUY antother 3 years of which he has no intention of serving ,simply to beat Hawkies record .
History will probably show , that Just Like Hawke and Keating , Howard has reneged on the same handover deal he made with costello , simply because his Ego is out of control.
Anyway , this will probably shock most of the true believers here , but I belive the libs will win by 3 seats , and I also believe that this is probably a good thing , but for only one specific reason.
Howard has created a very dangerous situation whereby this country is now at risk to terrorist attacks ,and therefore he should be in office , and at hand to announce it to the Australian People.
His reign has also been one of the most devisive in history , and has also changed Oz politics forever.
Now all the RAH RAH`s Waffling on about interest rates , are due to cop a very rude backhander in mid december/ early January , when the ( " on hold 1/4 percent interest Rate increase " ) will announced by the reserve bank , Merry Xmas!.
Tradition is , Interest rates are never anounced during an election , and especially under this government , who as soon as it came to office deputised the entire Public service , as its own police force.
Finally , house prices have steadied , but some economists are warning we are due for a savage correction , building APROVS are still rising ,as are borrowings for record renovations , the economy is growing faster than expected , and Imports are still twice exports.
The IMF , has warned that ( australia ) is living far beyond above its means , and do you know what happened the last time that proved to be the case??.
Mick
I`LL BE BAAAACK....!!!!
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mick ward
Marlin
Australia
2202 Posts
Member No: #564 |
Posted - 04 Oct 2004 : 2:03:23 PM
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Originally posted by Dingo:
Mick before you vote think long and hard about WHY Latham wouldnt put his promises up for scrutiny Hes put none of his promises to treasury so they can cost them
Also he wont rule out tax increases under Labour, he knows he will have to raise tax to cover his promises
Paul
G`day Dings,
How is it that that Howard can promise a ludicrous I00 billion dollars in Government spending and the blue wrinse set calls him a genius , and when labor digs out the check book , their spending will only raise taxes ??.
Incidently , exactly what do you call a GST ? .
Please explain.???
Mick
I`LL BE BAAAACK....!!!!
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Neil
SportsFish
Australia
3807 Posts
Member No: #1 |
Posted - 04 Oct 2004 : 5:02:09 PM
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Now Mick  lets play fair!
The Labor party has refused to submit all its promies.
Not my words but that of the carasmatic Simon Crean  ( gee's you talk about Howard not serving the full term. Christ if Labor won would you would have Crean as Tresuarer  Mr. 8%Popularity; god help us )
AND we DID go to an election with the GST on the table and guess what! Libs won yet again. In a democrary that means that the majority accepted the GST. The Labor party also wanted it but thats another story...
So lests forget about trying to bring back old chestnuts like Tampa and the GST cause the labor party lost that round
More importantly lets look at todays issues about fishing. Again the fact that there is a deal between the Greens and Labor have me worried
Bob (*****) Brown and his followers have a very strange concept of the truth and more over have an interesting way of avoiding the hard questions. Their policies are flubber (spelt correctly) and in my view untrustworthy of running the local chock raffle let alone be given the balance of power 
It is my view that if the Greens have any sway just watch them screw us over big time
Cheers
Neil
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Dingo
Team Daylate
Australia
7816 Posts
Member No: #323 |
Posted - 04 Oct 2004 : 8:44:03 PM
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GST = goods and services tax, I dont have a problem with it, I would prefer it was placed on everything and prbably increased to replace all taxes including payrol tax, people say its hard to administer well we are in business and have zero problem with it.
Mate their promises are not costed simple as that
What it boils down to is I remember life under the last labour gov, I know I and most of my friends are alot better off now under the Howard Liberal gov, your situation may be differant than mine so that would mean you will vote Labour and nothing anybody here says or anything said in this election run up will change that, thats your right. My postal vote has already been cast to the Libs, I am happy how things are and I dont think its time for a change, Take note Labour is singing "its time for a change" but they are not singing "its time for a change for the better".
IF Howard decides to step down so be it, I hope you are casting your vote for an entire party not just one man, If Howard steps down we may get, (probably will but nothing in life is gauranteed) Costello, who really cares he is a far better politician (in my eyes) than either Latham, Crean or Beasley remember thats who you would be voting for if you cast a Labour vote, can you garantee that the ever present Mr Beasley wouldnt challenge Latham the very first time he stuffs up or his popularity starts to fall, no you cant
I wouldnt mind taking you up on that bet of Howard Leaving office by 28/12/04 what ods you want 
Yes Mick I hope we have a strong government in power should this country ever be threatened, unfortunatly I dont think Labour is a strong government, how many leaders have they had in recent history, how long has the current leader been there, how long will he be there after he has power (if labour got up) Beazley will pounce at the first chance.
Hey Mick just as a side note has Labour done enough wrong in NSW to make you jump ship or will you be singing the same stuff in a few yrs about carr
We all vote our own way to suit our own needs, if your wrong and under a Labour gov interest rates go up, taxes go up, boat people start streaming in again and employers stop employing because the unions have Labour by the balls, what would you be saying then, bet its not time for a change
Ps Dont forget to thank the libs for prety much stopping the boat loads of illegals comming here, The genuine refugees still get looked after but the queue jumpers have stopped comming, Who cares if a queue jumper who destroys their papers are left on an island to think about it, I dont.
Paul
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Sailfish
Linux Powered
Australia
2854 Posts
Member No: #51 |
Posted - 04 Oct 2004 : 9:00:27 PM
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We are starting to push barrows at a particularly sensitive time in the general proceedings gents....
May I suggest we become "VERY" general with our comments. (no my, me, mine etc. etc. get the drift? )
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Dingo
Team Daylate
Australia
7816 Posts
Member No: #323 |
Posted - 04 Oct 2004 : 9:30:26 PM
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Point taken Sailie Told ya we shoulda canned all politics, even if just to protect ones self
Micks a labour boy through and through, Pretty thick skin too so he can take a knock or 2
I tend to go lib but have voted Labour in state because the op was so piss poor, Ever voted Lib Mick
How bout we talk linux
I slyly downloaded mozilla last night on the second machine in our home network, trying to see if it will allow us to access sites on that machine that ie wont, not sure if its the setup but gee it was slow, didnt fix the java stuff either
Paul
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Sailfish
Linux Powered
Australia
2854 Posts
Member No: #51 |
Posted - 04 Oct 2004 : 10:10:15 PM
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Originally posted by Dingo:
How bout we talk linux
I slyly downloaded mozilla last night on the second machine in our home network, trying to see if it will allow us to access sites on that machine that ie wont, not sure if its the setup but gee it was slow, didnt fix the java stuff either
Paul
AAAAAAAH.......
now ... its not slow..... It takes time to load into memory....unlike IE (because IE runs when windoze runs), Firefox starts afresh and doesnt use resources unnessesarily.....when it gets going, 5/10 seconds that is it, you will not need to restart the program during your current session and I will back its speed against anything including IE, opera, konquoror, epiphany etc etc at page rendering....
you have entered my space now dingo and I will help you through any difficulty you may encounter....... we (opensource) are here to help not hinder (m1cR0$0ft).....
Did you know that the lead developer for "Firefox" is an ANZAC ??
RE:- http://www.neowin.net/articles.php?action=more&id=96 (yer, OK he's a NZ'er)
read that sh!t dude and you'll realize that browsers aint browsers..... microdollar is playing catch-up at the moment, IE is outdated technology........
Also, you will need to download the odd extension etc (such as java) cause 'opensource' gives you the choice to do such things.. (some people dont allow javascript to execute on their puter.....)
here endeth the 1st lesson......
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Mark the Shark
Marlin
Australia
564 Posts
Member No: #601 |
Posted - 05 Oct 2004 : 10:25:19 AM
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Latest polls seem to be pointing to a coalition, but we all know these polls are meaningless.
I'll give credit to Labour for two things from this election campaign, firsly for trying to come up with some original policies (rather than just rehashing or tweaking other policies) and secondly for being the only party (that I have seen) who has some ads that are postive and not just about slagging off the other parties.
On the policies, the fact that Labour has released them so late makes me worried they haven't fully thought them through or fully understand the implications and costings. I am also very concerned about them getting into bed with the greens.
Thank christ the election is this weekend though, can't stand these adds anymore. I reckon policitcal parties should be forced to donate $1 to a charity for every $1 dollar they spend on advertising.
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mick ward
Marlin
Australia
2202 Posts
Member No: #564 |
Posted - 05 Oct 2004 : 11:41:58 AM
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G`day Fellas,
Sat 9/10/2004 assuming Lil Bush wins , will see Parliment resume shortly after , and if the last 3 elections are any sort of a pointer , then the next three weeks will see the entire front bench of the Libs petulantly spraying the opposition ,with the nah nah nah nah nah nah nahs , which I think is their idea of a victory Lap .
Then before you know it , xmas will be upon us and the lads will be on holidays till feb.
Now I`ll say no more about this for now , but dings I`ll have a Power45 Powerball Bet with ya , that Howard will not be PM after This Financial Year.
But should he succeeed in getting control of the senate , then he will definately stay till the end of the year , but only to complete his demolition of Medicare , and Public education.
Mick
I`LL BE BAAAACK....!!!!
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